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    BP CEO Tony Hayward reported to Congress today to discuss the well explosion in April and resulting massive oil spill. Congress accused Hayward of being "ill prepared" and "stonewalling" today's congressional hearings.

    Many of us have heard Hayward's flippant remarks, including this gem: he'd "like his life back." What's your take on this? Should Hayward be held accountable? Should he resign? It's obvious BP made huge errors and safety wasn't always priority No. 1. BP is a big company. Should the Captain go down with the ship? Should Hayward get jail time?
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    But the CEO got an apology from TX!

    My take is that with the amount of damage being done to our soil and economy, we should be "at war" with BP (British company, though I'm betting the Queen won't see fit to save them.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian M. Johnson View Post
    But the CEO got an apology from TX!

    My take is that with the amount of damage being done to our soil and economy, we should be "at war" with BP (British company, though I'm betting the Queen won't see fit to save them.)
    How about we start back when the accident first happened, how about our great leader getting offers of help within 48 hours from 13 COUNTRIES and curtly refusing them, how about our great leader sitting on his duff, playing golf, having concerts, putting on dinners, shooting hoops while our ocean/beaches are being devastated. Sorry folks, that is an area under FEDERAL GOVERNMENT control and he did nothing. Of course lets just blame it on BUSH, right. Keep in mind that KATRINA was a State controlled tradegy, and even though President Bush was not obligated to get involved he did but got the crap kicked out of him for waiting 3 days. Obama gets a pass even though its been 60 days.

    How about we get mad at a President that refuses to help the governor of the state even though he has literally begged for permission to fix the damn problem, we have numerous companies offering solutions and help but no, we need this disaster to help the environmentalists and Obama to further their anti drilling/capitalist agenda.

    Now lets go take on BP, you think they WANTED THIS to happen? You think that they want to be 5 miles out drilling 1 mile down, you think that you might want to talk to the FEDERAL inspectors who just 3 weeks before the accident happened gave them an AWARD for safety might want to come forward and explain how this could have happened.

    How would you react if you were forced into the Oval office and told, without any legal or other protection that you were going to pay 20 billion dollars, who the heck has that authority to demand that. BP has been more than forcomming telling and paying for the cleanup and has never said they would not, but we have a dictator telling them what to do.

    Read some history, this is similiar to Stalin tactics, of course maybe we can just force them into bankruptcy and that will really solve the problem.

    Worked up, damn straight I am and I for one and sick and tired of just sitting back letting the librals and the President run over our rights and the American people.

    I am sick as hell over this and its time everyone quit jumping down the throats of the wrong people, BP is a company made up of hundreds of thousands of people and I for one think the treatment the CEO is getting from our President and the Dems is utterly disgusting. Of course they have blame, of course they have faults, but for crying out loud, lets focus on getting the damn thing cleaned up, get the FEDs out of the way, then we can start shelling out blame.
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    Default Re: Congress Grills BP CEO

    Quote Originally Posted by acampbell View Post
    BP CEO Tony Hayward reported to Congress today to discuss the well explosion in April and resulting massive oil spill. Congress accused Hayward of being "ill prepared" and "stonewalling" today's congressional hearings.

    Many of us have heard Hayward's flippant remarks, including this gem: he'd "like his life back." What's your take on this? Should Hayward be held accountable? Should he resign? It's obvious BP made huge errors and safety wasn't always priority No. 1. BP is a big company. Should the Captain go down with the ship? Should Hayward get jail time?
    Flippant remarks, of course "I'm going to know whose ass to kick is maybe a better remark" and was so presidential. You think Hayward should be held accountable, how about we just string him up or plain shoot him, I am sure he wanted this to happen. How in the heck do you know that safety is not a priority, this is a remark in my opinion that is totally irresponsible and has no justification. Do you know what their safety program is? Do you think they want to operate unsafe? I get it, just becasue they are a Corporation and might make a profit they are just evil, greedy, bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel Holsinger View Post
    Read some history, this is similiar to Stalin tactics, of course maybe we can just force them into bankruptcy and that will really solve the problem.
    Yep, I like the idea of a bankrupt bp at this point. Like many people have pointed out. BP has to be solvent to make any sort of payments...That means customer support.

    Please don't take this the wrong way, but as one of "the little guys", I see no reason why heads shouldn't roll. Mine would for far less than this! All the parties involved in that drill have liability as far as I'm concerned, but you can't tell me that they'd receive any help without the full-nelson tactic. BP certainly isn't helping themselves either. Google bombing?!?!?! To make a comment that he'd like his life back when so many others are wondering how they'll make ends meet from the fallout of this?

    But you're right...There's plenty of blame to pass around. NPR recently attempted to grill the company who puts out the dispersants for NOT allowing colleges to purchase the dispersant! (Because the result would be obvious) I see that as suspect as well.

    As for Obama's butt kicking comment, I just wish I had the power to kick it myself.

    It's tough supporting corporations when you're on welfare while working for them (my time working at walmart, or even teaching their employment pool), while the military is dying for them (on welfare while fighting for those corporations). I'm not a communist. I'm not capitalist. I simply am hopeful that at some point, my offspring will live in a world where people have value greater than that of stepping stones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian M. Johnson View Post
    Yep, I like the idea of a bankrupt bp at this point. Like many people have pointed out. BP has to be solvent to make any sort of payments...That means customer support.

    Please don't take this the wrong way, but as one of "the little guys", I see no reason why heads shouldn't roll. Mine would for far less than this! All the parties involved in that drill have liability as far as I'm concerned, but you can't tell me that they'd receive any help without the full-nelson tactic. BP certainly isn't helping themselves either. Google bombing?!?!?! To make a comment that he'd like his life back when so many others are wondering how they'll make ends meet from the fallout of this?

    But you're right...There's plenty of blame to pass around. NPR recently attempted to grill the company who puts out the dispersants for NOT allowing colleges to purchase the dispersant! (Because the result would be obvious) I see that as suspect as well.

    As for Obama's butt kicking comment, I just wish I had the power to kick it myself.

    It's tough supporting corporations when you're on welfare while working for them (my time working at walmart, or even teaching their employment pool), while the military is dying for them (on welfare while fighting for those corporations). I'm not a communist. I'm not capitalist. I simply am hopeful that at some point, my offspring will live in a world where people have value greater than that of stepping stones.
    Cannot argue several of your points, my main point is this, yes this was an accident, could have it been prevented, possibly just like any other accident could have been prevented. Should we blame BP, yes they have the majority of blame because they are the company that is drilling but they alone are not responsible and for sure they alone are not responsible for the cleanup.

    Should the Chairman be held personally responsible, no. If that is the case, then everytime anything happens we will automatically hold the top person repsonsible, so if you mess up and sell someone's stuff illegally the owner is repsonsible, not you? I am not sure that is fair to either party.

    Am I 100% behind BP, no but what is getting me madder by the minute is having everyone jumping on this guy for every detail (and he did not necessarily know the details), everyone in the press pretending that our Leader is leading and he sure as heck is not, these stupid congress people pretending that they really care about the people that are really getting hurt and just from the tone you can tell they are doing this for political purposes( both Reps & Dems), meanwhile the cleanup/stop is being hampered by a beauracracy that is incompetent.

    I know maybe the chairman's comment was taken out of content, who are we to judge how much he personally feels sorry about, I know that when something bad has happened in my my company I personally feel the pain, I know when I have to fire someone, kick them out of their home, etc that even though it may not be my fault I still feel the pain. Is that wrong?

    I am sure he feels terrible about the loss of life, I do and I had nothing to do about it( except yes I do buy products that have oil in them so indirectely I guess I am somewhat responsible to because if I didn't and everyone else did not then we would not need the oil). As far as the corporations are concerned, understand who a corporation is, usually it is thousands of people who own stock, they want their stock price/dividend to pay rewards on their investment, so the company wants to make a profit, etc, etc, etc. They pay taxes, the people who invest in them pay taxes, the workers who work there pay taxes and guess what, those taxes are used to pay for the social programs that people who are not as fortunate as others use like welfare/food stamps, etc to get by. So why not quit blaming corporations/companies/individuals who want to make a profit for everything wrong in the world? it is just not that simple.

    I agree, utopia would be nice; it is not going to happen so we have to try and make our lives better on our own and quit blaming everyone elso for our problems/troubles.

    I am not attacking your point of view, I understand where you are coming from and I think from the many conversations I think I know your heart, and it is good. I hope you can see mine.
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    Default Re: Congress Grills BP CEO

    Quote Originally Posted by Mel Holsinger View Post
    I am not attacking your point of view, I understand where you are coming from and I think from the many conversations I think I know your heart, and it is good. I hope you can see mine.
    Don't worry. No respect lost on my end. It is wrong for BP to be taking all the blame. It's currently a tragedy of errors. Your point is quite a solid one, and this is a hot button issue debate after all. Can't expect the same opinion from everyone. (something about the "things we don't talk about w/ tenants" thread comes to mind here)
    As for utopia, I doubt it'll ever exist, or even could exist, but I can hope all the same. IMHO, we never made it out of the feudal era. All we did was change one ruler w/ another.
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    There is time for blame, but we need to protect the other oil workers from this same thing occurring and prevent future disasters of the same type.

    Take a peek here for some perspective, not just on the Gulf Coast, the shrimp/fishing industries and a long history of a way of life for generations. You may have to scroll up.

    The rest of us little people have to pay if we have an accident that impacts someone or something, like an auto accident. BP should be no different, and the company must remain solvent in order to effect the remediation.

    Here is another victim of the spill for real life perspective, not just political vitriol.
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