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Old 01-26-2008, 12:17 PM
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Unhappy New threat I didn't know about

I just learned about a new threat -- "lock bumping" (google : 'bump lock')

I didn't even know about this until about 5 minutes ago!

Anybody know of a supplier of "bump proof" padlocks
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Old 01-28-2008, 05:12 PM
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I was not aware...so I had to of course check this out. We give each new rental a cylinder lock, which I Have not heard of there being problems with those. Short of knowing the correct way to drill one. If anyone has, can you please share the info with me?

Thank you much !!
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Old 01-28-2008, 07:20 PM
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I just learned about a new threat -- "lock bumping" (google : 'bump lock')

I didn't even know about this until about 5 minutes ago!

Anybody know of a supplier of "bump proof" padlocks
Wayne: Unfortunately the threat from bump keys is real; I have been talking about them at seminars for at least a year or so, but have hesitated to write about them. Go to You Tube some time and watch all the videos of people opening any lock in about 10 seconds
Apparently, if you believe lock manufactures, if you buy a high end lock where the chamber and key are cut horizontally and vertically these locks are “bump key proof.”
Several vendors at the upcoming ISS show offer locks like this and I recommend you stock this kind of lock.
Fortunately most self storage facilities have several layers of protection for their tenants including key pad gate or building access and alarms. Some of these features mitigate the worries about bump keys, but if you are a facility without a fence and gate, you should switch locks as soon as you can.
I cannot recommend specific suppliers of loks on this website, but these types of locks do exist.
Randy Tipton may also want to weigh in on the insurance concerns, I will let her know you are asking about this.
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Old 01-29-2008, 11:33 AM
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Thanks for the information Jeffrey -- it have seen the you tube vids and that got me looking around even more.
I have been looking for the locks, but haven't had much luck yet. Still looking.

As far as the upcoming ISS Expo -- I wont be able to attend the vendor show (no funding for that at this time!), but my wife will be attending your seminar on Friday.
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Old 03-31-2008, 08:00 AM
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Default Check out Pickbuster

Pickbuster is an aftermarket lock bumping countermeasure in the form of a liquid gel which fills the cylinder serving to dampen the kinetic energy of the bump attack and prevent the key pin separating from the driver pin. This solution has recently been tested by ERA with positive results, and is undergoing extended testing by the Institute Of Certified Locksmiths.

Pickbuster - Stop Cylinder Bumping Now
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Thanks a lot for the link stevedore.

I am looking into it now.

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Old 05-13-2008, 01:40 PM
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Wow this is kinda like what was going on in Seattle a few years ago. They were called Jiggle Keys and was used on cars. We had our 1990 Bronco stolen that way they dropped the back window down and bingo there were in. They found out later it was a ring of guys who worked for different car lots making the keys. Now we are in Tampa and someone just stole my 2006 mustang i am sure it was the same way as there was no glass anywheres.
But anyways thank you for informing us of this.
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Old 05-29-2008, 01:25 PM
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I just learned about a new threat -- "lock bumping" (google : 'bump lock')

I didn't even know about this until about 5 minutes ago!

Anybody know of a supplier of "bump proof" padlocks
There are lock companies that manufacture "Bump Proof" locks (mine being one). These locks have the same security features of their coin-op, gaming and vending locks. Any pin tumbler lock can be bumped. The way my company and other high security manufacturers prevent bumping is by employing a keyway mechanism that is not based on pin tumblers along with a non-duplicatable controlled keyblank.

In the coin-op, gaming and vending industries, no one with a security concern uses pin tumbler locks. Feel free to contact me if you'd like more info.

Yours,

Rich Morahan

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Old 07-21-2008, 01:47 PM
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There is no lock or locking device that is safe from criminals. Nearly every facility I have worked in the last ten years use "security hasps." They come in about ten different colors and have been used by the FBI for trucking companies as trailer seals. Most management companies use them along with auction locks. I give them to tenants that might not be coming back to their unit for some time. I make it a priority to check the hasps every time I do a "lock check." Every manager should be doing a walk-through of their facility at least twice a day. When you print out your walk through list simply highlight the units that should have a security hasp. I started this for military people that were worried about their belongings being stored for a long time.

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Old 07-21-2008, 02:05 PM
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Disc Locks should be used and some facilities rules state you must provide your own "Disc Lock." Some of the bigger companies give each new tenant a new disc lock. If you have hundreds of cheap locks, you will have problems. Disc locks are the locks recommended by professional management companies world wide.
Other Features:
*Heavy Duty Disc Padlock
*Corrosion, Cut & Pick Resistant
*Solid Brass 5 Pin Tumbler Cylinder
*Hardened Steel Shackle
*Solid Brass Keys

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