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    habreu
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  • habreu
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    It's no toy. I read that since 1990's eye injuries from BB guns and paint guns is up 50% including loss of the eye. In fact some BB guns allow pellets and every so often people are killed by these. That is a scary situation.

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  • AngelaESSTX
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  • AngelaESSTX
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    Originally posted by Iamkathleenj View Post
    Even though my husband is the one that does the daily lock check if I were to see a unit without a lock I would have no reservations opening the door and checking to see if it had been vacated. I would never think that someone would be in there and if I opened it there would be someone pointing a gun at me. I would hope that I would close the door and leave just like that manager did and I might think to put a lock on it and call 911. I wouldn't want them to leave without talking with the police.

    If someone points a firearm at someone, even if it is a BB gun, the consequences could be dire.


    That is our protocol, as well. If we find a unit w/o a lock or "locked open" we open it and take pics of it, close it and contact the tenant if no paperwork is on file regarding vacating. In our minds, we are simply doing our day-to-day jobs and think this is just another daily task.

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  • Iamkathleenj
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  • Iamkathleenj
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    Even though my husband is the one that does the daily lock check if I were to see a unit without a lock I would have no reservations opening the door and checking to see if it had been vacated. I would never think that someone would be in there and if I opened it there would be someone pointing a gun at me. I would hope that I would close the door and leave just like that manager did and I might think to put a lock on it and call 911. I wouldn't want them to leave without talking with the police.

    If someone points a firearm at someone, even if it is a BB gun, the consequences could be dire.



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  • Grizz
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  • Grizz
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    Every state has different laws regarding firearms but up here in Alaska we are able to defend ourselves and if it happened me, that guy would not have had the opportunity to threaten anyone ever again

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  • lady5563
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  • lady5563
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    I would have to go home early to take a shower and change my clothes!
    If ya know what I mean!

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  • Amy_ISS
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  • Amy_ISS
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    Great advice
    Clarkstoragellc
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  • Clarkstoragellc
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    Its not about what I would do. Its about Company Policy and training when your Public Storage, a national firm.

    Part of my background was a Kaizen Process Improvement manager. When my son was in daycare, while waiting for him, I noticed on the same position in each room next to the door was a colored, covered instruction sheet. It had different situations listed and actions, example:

    Fire- evacuate to predetermined area by room, call 911, do headcount/roll call,
    Missing Child- lock down building, initiate immediate search room by room and outside, after xx minutes, call 911.
    Tornado-
    Unconscious child-
    etc. etc. About 25 different scenarios.

    With the turnover, multiple shifts/crews, training/lack of training, lack of situational awareness or actions; This sheet in every room was a definitive go to action plan. Thought this was the greatest tool.



    The article, yes was eye catching, but the real story should have been about the process and learning moment, which is boring. As a Company, you only want to learn "Once" from a mistake, not over and over again. Plus, you want to take that learning moment and expand it to similar scenarios, versus having to "Learn" by mistake on each potential scenario.

    The story above as an example, instructions:

    Weapon on premises- extricate yourself from potential bodily harm, do not try to confront the individual, lock yourself in the office, call 911, if needed evacuate all customers from the premises, lock down the gate (?), After incident: Call operations management (xxx-xxx-xxxx) ;capture camera screen shots and provide to Police and a copy to corporate legal department (xxx-xxx-xxxx); fill out incident report and send to Operations department (xxx-xxx-xxxx).









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  • KrisinWA
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  • KrisinWA
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    Originally posted by Gina6k View Post
    First I'd never open a unit without a camera and another witness with me. Simple thing, happen across an unlocked unit, slap a lock on it and keep walking. The things I've seen and found over three plus decades in this industry taught me early on to never open a door by myself.

    If she had just tossed a company lock on the unit, the gun (BB) wouldn't have even been an issue. And think of the interesting chain of events when Mr. Secretive tried to open his door and leave. I've always instructed tenants that they can not close the door when they're in the unit. Obviously sometimes weather conditions prompt people to lower the doors, but I always advised them to leave the door 1/3 open so we know they're in there.
    A lot of managers are by themselves, including me-most of the time. I have to do the rounds by myself and I wouldn't even think twice about lifting an unlocked door to check if it's empty or whatever.

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  • Gina6k
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  • Gina6k
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    First I'd never open a unit without a camera and another witness with me. Simple thing, happen across an unlocked unit, slap a lock on it and keep walking. The things I've seen and found over three plus decades in this industry taught me early on to never open a door by myself.

    If she had just tossed a company lock on the unit, the gun (BB) wouldn't have even been an issue. And think of the interesting chain of events when Mr. Secretive tried to open his door and leave. I've always instructed tenants that they can not close the door when they're in the unit. Obviously sometimes weather conditions prompt people to lower the doors, but I always advised them to leave the door 1/3 open so we know they're in there.

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  • Bighank
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  • Bighank
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    If someone draws a weapon on me I will defend myself. Deadly force? Only as a last resort. Oh how I wish Pac was here it would be a more colorful thread. I miss the old coot. My level headed response is to extricate myself and call the police. The tenant would definitely be evicted.

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  • KrisinWA
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  • KrisinWA
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    The manager did the right thing, kept her head and got images for the police. She did everything right. Would I be that cool under the same circumstances? I have training in the military and as military police-I've had knives drawn on me but no gun, but I hope so.

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  • Amy_ISS
    Community Manager

  • Amy_ISS
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    Shooting the tenant isn't really the solution I was seeking here.

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  • Foxes Den
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  • Foxes Den
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    PAC would like to respond to the post !!

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  • KrisinWA
    Senior Member

  • KrisinWA
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    BB guns many times look like the real thing. He could have been 'dead wrong' if he'd pointed that at the wrong manager. Can you imagine if some schmuck pointed a bb gun at Pac? Wouldn't have gone well.

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  • SteveMac
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  • SteveMac
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    That could have ended very badly for the tenant, pointing a BB gun at someone who may be carrying the real thing...

    Not going to say here what I would do, because the situation would determine most of it, but the very least thing that would happen is eviction. Further than that, again the situation would determine and I hope I am never pushed into that choice.

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